两篇激流中国的文章被迫删除
早上起来，发现GTALK上有留言说有电话打给办公室，叫我删除blog上的两篇文章。然后发现邮箱里有封信：
张先生：
您好，我是北京市政府新闻办，在您网站发现两篇敏感文章，请您协助删除。
NHK纪录片激流中国 （下载至第十一集）(京ICP备06029788号)
另外，希望您能给我办留一个您的联络方式如果有需要处理的内容我们好及时与您取得联系，如MSN、QQ或者电话，再次感谢。
然后我试图登陆blog，发现blog上不去了，吓了我一身冷汗，心想这也太快了吧。赶快写信给服务器管理员，管理员说是网络问题，我才放下心来。否则要真是我的问题，这台服务器上很多商业类网站，他们岂不把我骂死。
这两篇文章（尤其是第一篇），到目前为止已经半年多了，服务了数以十万计的网友，也算死得其所了。之前在风声最紧（baidu上相应关键词结果被删除）的时候，文章也隐藏了一段时间。后来此文一直排在Google相应关键词的第一位且平安无事，我还以为能得善终呢，哪知还是逃不过和谐的命运。
同时douban上收到豆邮：
Zhang-Zi, 你参加的 日本NHK小组讨论的内容可能对网站运营带来潜在压力，已被解散。 --- 豆瓣
这就是中国。上篇文章还在说去抗议奥运政治化呢，现在越想越恶心。
请问抵制的原因何在？ 不就是在于政府误导性地教育民众吗？这种软性的方式比封杀更可恶。
激流中国中的东西就算是全对的，但他毕竟对整个社会的影响不是非常正面的。就像一个残废的人，他不需要你每天提醒他是个废人一样，政府知道自己要解决的问题，但这些问题不是一朝一夕的事情，而在没解决之前，却长时间的报道，对这个病人的影响是很大的。
在言论自由方面，发达国家与中国采取的是软控制和硬控制的方式。这次的藏独和奥运圣火传递不就间接地揭露了一些西方媒体的缺点吗？
我相信，急流中国在民间采取封杀措施，但政府对它提出的社会现象会给于重视的。
“这种软性的方式比封杀更可恶”，是你自己的奇怪感受吧，真是搞笑。
舆论监督自然有正面和负面作用。哪个更大，有无数的事实证明。你这种家长式的舆论管制观点，怎么和一贯以来的某种类型的政府完全一致啊？
我就是通过那个激 流 中 国找到贵博的，没想到这个也会被禁。。wtf，去他妈北京政府新闻办
按张献民的说法，《铁西区》这样的纪录片是看不见的影像，《新闻联播》是看得见的影像。
参考张献民：危险，勿近:王兵作品《铁西区》
http://tw.netsh.com/eden/oldbbs/713969/html/tree_23538404.html
近期的反华言论让我觉得中国最扯淡的机构就是宣传部门 完全是西方扭曲事实媒体的帮凶
hi Zhiqiang, do you live in China ?
I whrite here because I havn't find your mail adress
i'm a french blogger and with the arrival of Olympics Games in Beijing i'm interessed about the political situation in China, I ask you, in a personnal/blogger perspective (non journalist), if you can say me more about it in few lines. (Maybe you take riks ?) If you're agree you can send me a mail at : mathieubertolo - at- gmail.com to summerize me your situation, and the bloggers situation in China today. (for me bloggers are very goods informations sources too;-))
ps : I don't understand if you are for the boycott or non boycott of OG ? It's possible to be anti-OG for the chineese public today ? thanx, maybe soon :p
Sie Sie
My friend, I am not Zhiqiang, but I would like to say something to you.
When talking about China and the coming Oympics, the first thing comes to your mind would definitely be all negative: Tibet, pollution, land-seizue, humanright, torture of those young athletes......
Why? because you have been brainwashed by your media. Those rubbish media in your countries(especially in France) care nothing but how quickly these domestic problems would turn bad enough to bring down the ruling communist government.
So this is the reason why you are so eager to acquire a piece of comment from Zhiqiang. If he gave your some negative words about the government, then you would be very very happy, you can paste it to your blog and say to your readers: "see! this is how a ordinary Chinese blogger thinks about the Olympics Games. He don't like it!" And your brainwashed readers would be happy too. Because Zhiqiang's words would reconfirm their imaginations that Chinese people hate the communist government so much, and hate the Games as well.
But the real situation is: all Chinese people are sick of the biased media and the brainwashed people in Western countries. You westerners look like nothing but just a herd stupid donkeys.
If you can read in Chinese, go to any Chinese chatting room, and you would find: today we are not talking about boycott of OG, but boycott of French products. Because we are already fed up with your ignorance and arrogance!
Of course we are not satisfied with our autocratic government. But it's nothing of your business. Don't be so enthusiastic about our problems.
Think about the problems of your country first: how to boost the slack economy of France, how to reduce the tension bewteen the Christians and the Muslims living in France, how to crackdown the high criminal rate of youth. by the way, I don't like the new wife of president as well, she is a bitch......
If you really want to understand China and the Chinese people, please get rid of your stupid habit of stereotyping China!! Stopping teasing China and its Olympics!! Don't mix sports with politics!!
The last thing I want you to know: almost every Chinese people supports the OG. I did't ask Zhiqiang for his opinion, but I am sure he support it too.
说的好！我们每个中国人都会支持我们伟大的祖国！支持奥运！
加油！北京！加油！中国！
menu请不要随意揣测他人意图。即便他是如此，你也认为如此，在没有证据的情况下，你也不能说出来。
我觉得我们现在需要的是交流，其实西方民众比我们更宽容，更反感被欺骗。我们只要互相告诉对方事实就好了。不断指责解决不了问题。
以下是我的回复email:
楼主说的不错.
其实我们也知道自己的政府有许多做的不好的地方.但看到这些老外一个一个比我们还急切地想做点什么的时候,又觉得十分的反感.
毕竟我们过去也被他们欺负够了.
楼主的文章我一直收藏着
今天打开突然发现不见了
想不到还是厄运难逃
路不好走了啊
good luck
唉……一声叹息……
无奈就是这个样子的
无巧不成书，我今天早上接到电话，说我在学院首页上安放的几个台港同个专业的学校的友情链接，这些链接会导致TD和ZD分子攻击，要求在半小时之内删除。God，闻所未闻。
本来还想着，这个鸟不拉屎的地方，应该和外界多联系下。
呵呵，
我早说过就这篇可能会有麻烦。
不过也没有什么了，多件事实让你去认清一下社会现实而已。
存在的就是合理的，重要的是你怎么去认识，去面对，去处理。
btw，我刚经历了一场情感的炼狱。
强国， 是体现在有自信的强。
为什么政府是这样。
幸好在未被和谐之前发现了他～～～
楼主，推荐你去租美国主机，就不怕被河蟹了。
@Menu >
You seem to be angry? Contrary to what you imagine I am not eager of comments/stories of Chinese bloggers, in fact I will publish anything on my blog. I just want to take advantage of the opportunity to communicate in this way, with internet, blogs. From persons to persons. Let me remind you that I have come on this blog seeking information for a plugin wordpress, not to mention the Olympics in China. Furthermore it is a subject that interests me then I asked the question at Zhiqiang. Quite simply.
You said to me that: all Chinese people are sick of the biased media and the brainwashed people in Western countries in France too we are sick about these biased medias ;)
westerners look like nothing but just a herd stupid donkeys very intelligent and constructive remark
Contrary to what you think, I'm not brainwashed by western media, and I never watch TV if it can reassure you. Be informed course through online newspapers, but mostly by french friends in China, in Beijing. They speak to me of China.
Regarding the "domestic problems" with the movement of goods, capital and persons in the era of globalization I ask myself what "domestic problem"means ? (Note I am not saying that I am for globalization in any case it). You can boycott french products if you want, here we don't boycott chineses. Sorry to appear ignorant and arrogant to you, my apologies. The tension between french and muslims dnon't exist in France. Say that new president wife is a bitch It's free and mean, you want me to say it to your wife?
Finally, I think it's impossible not to mix politics and sport because everything is politics, politics is breathe to live is politics. Politics is everywhere, sport is no exception. You say that every Chinese supports the Olympics here in France it supports all the rights of the human being which are universal.
You speak good English but you have no arguments, your speech is meaningless, maybe you repeat what the CCP insists you all the time (maybe is really that you think ?) you are not totally responsible, peace upon you. Peace on all chinese, tibetans and french people, peace on Olympics, peace on earth peace for the 21 century and eternaly ;)
Mathieu
I think Menu was angry because of your two statements in your previous comment:
If you talked much to your Chinese friends, how will you say that? Maybe your Chinese samplings are too unbalanced.
I'm not much understand what did this sentence mean. To me, did you imply that Chinese don't anti-OG just because it's risk to do so or Chinese are brainwashed? When both Menu and me told you that most Chinese support OG then you said "maybe you repeat what the CCP insists you all the time". All these are not respectful, the same as lots of words in Menu's comment.
The most success brainwashing is the washed ones don't know they are washed, do you agree this? Now, lots of Chinese guy know that the media are controlled and very biased, but do you guys think so in France? For example, do you really think that The tension between french and muslims dnon't exist in France? Maybe you can just search france muslims at Google or just find out Muslims are waging civil war against us, claims police union and 2005 civil unrest in France.
Human rights surely are universal values. But do you realize eating fully and having place to live are the most basic human rights? Chinese government improved lots including free media in last thirty years but still has a long time to achieve the perfect. We, both China and France, have lots of problems, we never deny that, but we should look forward, shouldn't we?
to Mathieu
Maybe my speech was meaningless, but at least it encouraged you to argue with it.
It's regretful that I couldn't find valuable points from your reply either, except for an array of 'peace' at the end. It's nice, we all love peace.
I apologize for those words made you feel offended in my previous post. And I should clarify that when I said 'ignorance and arrogance', I did't specifically point at you. I refered to those fanatic protestors in Paris; the anti-Chinese banner hung in front of the city hall. I can accept that someone hung a similar banner on Eiffel Tower, but I don't understand why the mayor of Paris was so eager to show his political orientation about a foreign country's interior issue.
I also refered to the genuine exultation of the french media after they observed a big frustration on the torch. You felt so happy, didn't you? Your happiness was too obvious that it's difficult for us not to feel it.
Don't you think you French have overreacted? After all, it's just a torch, symbolic of peace and friendship. Should you be so ferocious to make the most of it to show your anger? Did we hurt you so much in history?
You might make an argument here that "we are a democratic society, everyone can do what they want legally". but how about the thugs trying to grab the torch all the way? how about the violence on a paralytic girl? how about those who used extinguishers to pull out the torch? And you feel happy but not disgusted on that mess? you feel pride that these chaotic scenes can only be seen in Paris (maybe london as well) because you are in a democratic society? Glory or shame?
You said, I think it's impossible not to mix politics and sport because everything is politics, politics is breathe to live is politics. Politics is everywhere, sport is no exception.
I agree, politics is everywhere. but politics inclue both peace, friendship and conflict, hatred. Which one should the Olympics represent?
发表一些与本文基调不太“和谐”的看法：我认为删除此类文章是有道理的。
中国的问题，凡是有心的中国人都能知道个大概；并且，对于这些问题，当局比我们这些只会看纪录片的人更清楚。
当前的中国，需要的不是提出问题的批判家，而是解决问题的实干家。
比如，某亿万富翁发家之后回到家乡当了村干部，并且把自己的钱拿出来领导人们办厂致富。比如，某教授放弃世界名校的职位，回到国内高校当教授，带领学生填补了中国在某领域的空白。
......
相信你也知道这是真人真事。我认为，当前中国需要的是更多的这样的人。
......
大多数民众都是不愿意费劲思考的，他们太容易被媒体左右了。这些“提出问题”的纪录片，往往会在他们脑袋中被夸大，导致更多无谓的批判与谩骂，削弱中国这一伟大团体的力量。
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我也马上要到UMich读博士了，希望能和你成为朋友。
官方看来还是你的看法更和谐
我只部分同意你的看法。
我同意很多中国人对于中国的大部分问题都有所了解，但相对于更为庞大的人口而言，更多人不了解。政府固然了解这些问题，但对于多数利益所得者官员而言，他们有什么动力去改变？
我赞同激流中国的原因是，它不像其它很多什么human rights报告之类的那么抽象，感觉跟普通老百姓一点关系都没有。这部纪录片确确实实的提出了问题，看了之后会觉得很真实，就像发生在我们身边一样。至于你说的“导致更多的批判和漫骂”目前看来并不是普遍情况。我不清楚如果更多人看了会导致什么后果，但这是开放言论的阵痛，从长远来看是值得的。
.......
btw. 很高兴与你讨论这些问题，我现在在umich访问，可等你到这里来我已经回国了。
Hello
i havn't a lot of time but i find your answer interesting : I'm agree with the lasts words only.
My remarks are signalize by a: wrote:
Dear seekoeur:
I think Menu was angry because of your two statements in your previous comment:
...if you can say me more about it in few lines. (Maybe you take riks ?) < this is a question)
ps : I don't understand if you are for the boycott or non boycott of OG ? It's possible to be anti-OG for the chineese public today ? thanx, maybe soon :p < this is a question too
you said "maybe you repeat what the CCP insists you all the time ? < you forget the interrogation point here".
All these are not respectful, the same as lots of words in Menu's comment.
< i have asked questions i'm not supposing this is affirmations. Asking questions is not unrespectful. Contrary, Menu say to me that westerners look like nothing but just a herd stupid donkeys and that the president's wife is a bitch that is unrespectful, not asking questions. End of the problem.
The tension between french and muslims dnon't exist in France? Maybe you can just search france muslims at Google or just find out Muslims are waging civil war against us, claims police union and 2005 civil unrest in France.
< In France majority of muslim people (99,9%) are peacefuls people I leave near the mosque of Paris I know good muslim people. The world is not war against Muslims but against human stupidity, gratuitous violence, terrorism. I have nothing to proove to you. You wan't see me angry against you because we're different people in different places, in different moments it's anything and I would never angry or hateful to you. Peace on you, peace on CCP people, peace on Tibetans, peace on all humans on earth and long life to the human rights.
Human rights surely are universal values. But do you realize eating fully and having place to live are the most basic human rights? Chinese government improved lots including free media in last thirty years but still has a long time to achieve the perfect. We, both Chinese and France, have lots of problems, we never deny
< i'm agree with that
Bye
seekoeur
that, but we should look forward, shouldn't we?
For me, it make no difference to just add a '?' or a 'maybe' in many cases. Sometimes, it is worse. Do you think it is respectful if I asked you "are you stupid?"" or said ""Maybe you are stupid?" ?(Sorry for this un-respectful example)
I apologize if I made a mistake on the Muslim situation in France. I know little about it and just took some information from media(You see, the two links I provided are ranked at the second and third when you search Muslim France at Google), just the same as how you knew about most China problems, isn't it?
you wan't to play a rethoric game with me and stay in your position that is:
You want to absolutely be right. I never insinuate that you're stupid with my questions. Now, if I play this rhetoric game with , it will bring food for thought to your mills. That doesn't seem to really constructive.
Yes it is true I do not know really domestic problems in China, so what? Will I shut provided? No, because I am interested in the problems of human beings in their universality and I have red this before http://china.hrw.org/ and I take advantage of being passed through here and the fact that you speak English, to keep asking questions. I have no preset ideas on China, your ideas or whatever. You seem confused curiosity and aggressiveness and it's Menu which has been aggressive with me when he say us donkeys, I did would never insult the Chinese as donkeys, for me it is a sign of stupidity. I hope you understand I'm sad about this discuss, goodbye.
i respond to Menu later
Peace on you, peace on French people, peace on French Muslims, peace on French Christians, peace on Corsicans, peace on the poor people of the French colonies. all humans on earth and long life to the human rights. God bless you, Mathieu.
呵呵，不少象牙塔里的学子呀。。。
看了这几段对话，感觉很有才啊！
又是一个牺牲品，郁闷。
从第一集开始就与您的博客有着不解之缘。
突然发现一切都没了。
这就是中国！感谢GCD。。。
BTW 有没有十二集的下载地址呢？！
前一段还下了3部，这一回头，都没了，呵呵，怎么了这是，在这群情激昂的日子里，就更体现我们依然是被牵着走，谢谢楼主的帖子，谁看谁不该看，利益决定的，在和谐中求发展，我们的命运，因为楼主的帖子使我省了不少找的力气， 再次感谢，哎！我太激动了。 帖子被删了，神还在，动脑子就能找到。
以后的片子可怎么下载呢
不知博主有什么暂时的发布计划，12还没下到，不知是否有字幕了没？
12集还没有出来。最新消息可以看激流-中国的主页
这个系列已经快要结束了。剩下的几集，我会想办法公布下载方式的的。
楼主加油，永远支持你！
期待你的方式，俺等得好心急！！！
郁闷 我在 msn空间 转帖 被封了~~相当的郁闷
哎／我的msn空间也被封了好几个月了／连个通知都没有／反应到msn客服就只说查／然后就没消息了
还是被封杀了,不过非常谢谢你,我之前全部都下下来了.没办法,这就是中国.
期待后续的下载地址
日本是不是不再继续做 激流中国 特别节目了？ 今天在
NHK官网http://www.nhk.or.jp/special/world/index.html上看不到有这个节目的安排
极有可能已经没有了。否则这两天就应该播出新的一集。
中国至少还有一个极其严重的问题 - 环境问题没有提到，估计这次中断是因为无法继续拍摄的原因。在baidu和google已经无法搜索到激流中国的信息了，而且用的是更为高级的过滤技术。
加油lz 默默支持
今天突然想到，该来下这个系列余下的片子了。。上来就是噩耗！！！！心里说不出的郁闷~~~余下的该去哪里下。。哎！！！
又有新的了，不过要到6月17日才播。是关于医疗问题的。大家去www.nhk.or.jp/special查
多谢提供此激流中国的官方地址
第十二集：
13亿人的医疗(暂定)
东京时间 2008年6月17日(星期三)深夜【星期四上午】0点55分1点44分综合
来迟了，·····没见着····
I think criticism is essential.
I am not saying the cummunist is rubbishy, but you really think nobody should critize the underbellies of the country and point out unfairness and unjustice? what the human right activists are doing is pressing for human right improvement in china, do you think there is literally no need to improve human right status in china? You think low living standard gives the chinese authority rights to abuse human right??
Ctiticism is essential for every country. No only china is being critised,
Please just have a thought, where do you gain information from? are they reliable?